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Re: Classic Rock Rory Feature

Postby Flamenca » 16 Apr 2012, 11:35

I think we could be creating our very own detective story here :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: maybe the kind Rory would have liked to read!!! The mystery hand-in-pocket musician lady (was she a gangster carrying a violin case? ... actually no, but why spoil a good story!) ... the handsome stranger (no prizes for guessing who that is :lol: :lol: :lol: ) and the stolen heart ... allegedly shot to pieces ... but by whom, when, where and why???

Answers on a postcard please from any tour location :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Classic Rock Rory Feature

Postby asdesas » 17 Apr 2012, 15:49

Most of us can't even figure out our own love lives, how can we figure out someone else's? Seriously though, the whole thing is very intriguing. There's so much heartache in some of Rory's songs like "Overnight Bag"--I can't imagine it's just the "loneliness of the road."
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Re: Classic Rock Rory Feature

Postby mike6262 » 17 Apr 2012, 19:20

It is great to see so much space devoted to Rory in Classic Rock Magazine. Guitar World done a story a year or so ago and it was pathetic, I don't think the author was even familiar with Rory. Guitar Player would rather do 3 or 4 Hendrix cover stories a year rather than give Rory anything more than a paragraph or two. Hats off to Classic Rock Magazine. I pay $15 for this magazine every month in the states and it is worth every penny.
Also a great Ronnie Montrose interview.
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Re: Classic Rock Rory Feature

Postby SUBY1974 » 19 Apr 2012, 19:31

Ronnie Montrose. Now that was an interesting article! I mean he didn't like sharing the limelight with other band members? I mean he fired all the band members and then himself just before they became big? Very interesting. Subrata.x
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Re: Classic Rock Rory Feature

Postby Tattoo'd Lady » 17 Jul 2012, 13:43

maapji wrote:Thanks for posting the quotes, deuce! Quite interesting indeed. If we believe Rory's bandmates we can infer that the woman concerned was NOT Catherine.

True!I agree with you...the bandmates quote this...and something really important...these are the ansewers about why Rory denied Catherine...simpy he didn't want someone to broke his heart again.
And as we know,Catherine was ready to be unfaithful to Roland because of Rory...So reasonably,Rory thought that she could do something similar to him...
Now it makes sense,what you think? :D
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Re: Classic Rock Rory Feature

Postby Tattoo'd Lady » 17 Jul 2012, 14:28

deuce wrote:I´ve checked the books again for the particular quotes I´ve mentioned. In Dan Muise´s book Rory is quoted as follows:
"A certain lady, who I had a great thing for, right, went off and married this guy. Then she went off and had his child. And she introduced me to the husband who showed me pictures of the child right in front of my face. And I couldn´t take it. I really couldn´t take it. The only reason I didn´t move was she was a musician friend of mine. She must have no feelings. I mean how do you do that ? He´s a nice guy; I´m not sayin´. But I spent two years in a terrible state over that."

As I understand it , the quotes in that book are written in chronological order, so that must have been made long before, or at least it seems to refer to the period prior 1986.

In the same book Ted McKenna is quoted as follows:
"Rory had a girlfriend at some point before I was involved in the band and she broke his heart and I think that just...that was it. He just would never let it happen again. And it´s like some of the lyrics in the songs that we did. I´m sure it tends to be a reflection on that period. "

And there is a bit on that topic also in Gerry McAvoy´s book:
"There was some talk that Rory had been in love with a girl when he was a teenager, but that she had left him for another man whom she´d eventually married and left Rory heartbroken. I don´t really know what happened so I can´t comment, but if it´s true, it must have been pretty bad to have made him so wary of relationships throughout the rest of his life. But then that was fairly typical of Rory. He took the saying 'once bitten, twice shy' to its ultimate limits."

Although the statements of his bandmates seem quite vague or not from firsthand source and rather speculative, I tend to to believe their versions because to me they sound more like a Rory-kind of dealing with such issues ;)



and something else...Ted McKenna knew Catherine...and he said that "Rory had a girlfriend at some point before I was involved in the band..."...So,we are talking about two different persons... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Classic Rock Rory Feature

Postby Tattoo'd Lady » 17 Jul 2012, 14:37

Flamenca wrote:
Olav wrote:Rory was talking about female musician who broke his heart. Was Catherine a musician?


No - Johan Verminnen is a musician. I think Rory was misquoted.
I'm not convinced that Rory had his heart broken by a childhood sweetheart.
I think it was as Donal said, he focused on his career, saw too many bands fall out over women, and spent too much time touring to commit to a relationship in the 1970s and early to late 1980s.

No...heartbreaking does not hold so much...but it makes you careful and wary for life...you know..."Should learn my lesson...long long time ago..." :)
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Re: Classic Rock Rory Feature

Postby RobertaSparrow » 17 Jul 2012, 19:13

Regarding the article- I could never read the entire article 'til today, for some reason my computer wouldn't display it in a readable form until today. But the speculation on who may have been the lady who broke Rory's heart- no one really knows except that woman and Rory. And I suspect Donal might know, but if he does, I'm sure that his loyalty to his brother will guarantee that we will never hear of it as long as Rory wanted it to be kept forever private. But since speculation seems to be the trend here, let me add my 2 cents-

Here's an interesting interview- focus on Rory's words and demeanor at 18:40

[youtube]http://youtu.be/GdfT-p23Nko[/youtube] http://youtu.be/GdfT-p23Nko

Around 12:00 Rory plays Pistol Slapper Blues, not on his old National Steel, but on his Martin dreadnaught- it's an earlier show, he didn't have the steel guitar yet. That puts it in the very early 70's At 16:00 Rory sings I Don't Know Where I'm Going, then at 18:40 the interview takes an interesting turn- the question isn't heard, but it can be inferred from Rory's answer. He's very young there, and he looks very happy- I speculate that is around the time of this mystery love affair, he looks and acts like a young man in love, and he says " . . . I do all that, yeah, I think about it, it's, ah, I'm in no hurry, I like to stay footloose for a while yet, anyway, but you can never tell when you're going to be . . . caught." He is in his homeland of Ireland, and he has the sparkle in his eyes of a young man, happy with his life, and with plenty of time ahead.

Then from the book: "A certain lady, who I had a great thing for, right, went off and married this guy. Then she went off and had his child. And she introduced me to the husband who showed me pictures of the child right in front of my face. And I couldn't take it. I really couldn't take it. The only reason I didn't move was she was a musician friend of mine. She must have no feelings. I mean, how do you do that? He's a nice guy; I'm not sayin.' But I spent two years in a terrible state over that." from Gallagher, Merriott, Derringer, Trower 1st edition, p.53 Dan Muise

My understanding was that the above quote was given while Rory was in the hospital.

The quote fror Ted McKenna was from the Muise book, also on page 53, where he clearly states that Rory's girlfriend entered and exited the picture before Ted became involved in the band, and that would put it before Rory's time living with his friend Roland and Roland's girlfriend Catherine, incorrectly identified as Christine in the Classic Rock article.

Speculating here again, Rory had trust issues with business relationships after having been burned by his business dealings with Taste and his management back then. Being burned in a business relationship is a cakewalk compared to the pain of a personal relationships between a man and a woman when it goes wrong.

To open oneself to another person in a romantic relationship is risky business even for the most hardened people. I mean, how much more vulnerable can a person be, exposing one's heart and soul to another is quite an act of trust, and if that trust is betrayed- who hasn't had to experience that kind of pain? For someone like Rory- someone so guarded and private to begin with, it must have been hard to cope- That level of pain and loss, if he internalized it would be like a slow poison. If he confided in anyone it would be his brother, and like I said, Donal is so completely devoted to Rory that wild horses won't be able to make him spill it.

As far as the speculation about all the women- groupies- trying to score with him on the road, well, that's physical gratification, and everyone knows that goes nowhere for anyone involved. Rory probably had more self respect and respect for others-even the groupies, to indulge such weaknesses.

And as far as the Catherine speculation, Rory was living with his friend Roland. Even if he was attracted to his friend's girlfriend, how would that have worked? If she had been able to seduce him, how well do you think things would go at the breakfast table with the three of them the next day? Some people can do that sort of thing and not think twice about it, but it's easier to maintain friendships with a clear conscience. If anything Rory was loyal to his friends. Plus, I believe he had already had his heart broken by a women years before. If he had problems allowing another woman to get that close, why would he involve himself with someone who would cheat on one man to be with another? He already had trust issues, how can he trust that she wouldn't tire of him down the road and go to someone else? Even after Roland and she parted ways, there would always be that thought that if a person could cheat on one, why not another?

Back when I used to see his band play was in the 70's. He looked very happy and healthy. I loved to watch him play, and he always made his audience feel happy. But I was never so focused on him or his personal life, and it never occurred to me that after a tour he wouldn't go back to Ireland and happily go about his life till the next tour. I often thought of the times I saw him and his band, and they were some of my happiest memories.

I just always figured as the years went by that he would find and marry a pretty Irish lady and go on to father a bunch of musical genius children while continuing to pursue his musical interests. Years later while perusing the internet I read how his life unfolded in the 80s and 90s, and it is indeed a very sad, tragic end for a man who deserved so much better. Perhaps the reason that his tragic story haunts my thoughts is because I never, ever would have guessed that someone with such a kind, gentle demeanor would meet such a horrible end. It seems so unfair.

I don't think he was destroyed by a failed love affair, either. It probably didn't help, but I think what really happened was that his fears and doubts began to creep into his everyday thoughts, and when he sought the help of the medical profession the things they gave him made his self doubt and fear stronger, and he couldn't deal with it on his own. To the extent that he really needed someone he could trust completely and confide in, that would have helped him to heal, but it would require an act of faith that perhaps he just couldn't give.
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Re: Classic Rock Rory Feature

Postby maapji » 17 Jul 2012, 20:51

Great post, Roberta! Well-conceived thoughts.
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Re: Classic Rock Rory Feature

Postby Tattoo'd Lady » 17 Jul 2012, 20:57

RobertaSparrow wrote:Regarding the article- I could never read the entire article 'til today, for some reason my computer wouldn't display it in a readable form until today. But the speculation on who may have been the lady who broke Rory's heart- no one really knows except that woman and Rory. And I suspect Donal might know, but if he does, I'm sure that his loyalty to his brother will guarantee that we will never hear of it as long as Rory wanted it to be kept forever private. But since speculation seems to be the trend here, let me add my 2 cents-

Here's an interesting interview- focus on Rory's words and demeanor at 18:40

[youtube]http://youtu.be/GdfT-p23Nko[/youtube] http://youtu.be/GdfT-p23Nko

Around 12:00 Rory plays Pistol Slapper Blues, not on his old National Steel, but on his Martin dreadnaught- it's an earlier show, he didn't have the steel guitar yet. That puts it in the very early 70's At 16:00 Rory sings I Don't Know Where I'm Going, then at 18:40 the interview takes an interesting turn- the question isn't heard, but it can be inferred from Rory's answer. He's very young there, and he looks very happy- I speculate that is around the time of this mystery love affair, he looks and acts like a young man in love, and he says " . . . I do all that, yeah, I think about it, it's, ah, I'm in no hurry, I like to stay footloose for a while yet, anyway, but you can never tell when you're going to be . . . caught." He is in his homeland of Ireland, and he has the sparkle in his eyes of a young man, happy with his life, and with plenty of time ahead.

Then from the book: "A certain lady, who I had a great thing for, right, went off and married this guy. Then she went off and had his child. And she introduced me to the husband who showed me pictures of the child right in front of my face. And I couldn't take it. I really couldn't take it. The only reason I didn't move was she was a musician friend of mine. She must have no feelings. I mean, how do you do that? He's a nice guy; I'm not sayin.' But I spent two years in a terrible state over that." from Gallagher, Merriott, Derringer, Trower 1st edition, p.53 Dan Muise

My understanding was that the above quote was given while Rory was in the hospital.

The quote fror Ted McKenna was from the Muise book, also on page 53, where he clearly states that Rory's girlfriend entered and exited the picture before Ted became involved in the band, and that would put it before Rory's time living with his friend Roland and Roland's girlfriend Catherine, incorrectly identified as Christine in the Classic Rock article.

Speculating here again, Rory had trust issues with business relationships after having been burned by his business dealings with Taste and his management back then. Being burned in a business relationship is a cakewalk compared to the pain of a personal relationships between a man and a woman when it goes wrong.

To open oneself to another person in a romantic relationship is risky business even for the most hardened people. I mean, how much more vulnerable can a person be, exposing one's heart and soul to another is quite an act of trust, and if that trust is betrayed- who hasn't had to experience that kind of pain? For someone like Rory- someone so guarded and private to begin with, it must have been hard to cope- That level of pain and loss, if he internalized it would be like a slow poison. If he confided in anyone it would be his brother, and like I said, Donal is so completely devoted to Rory that wild horses won't be able to make him spill it.

As far as the speculation about all the women- groupies- trying to score with him on the road, well, that's physical gratification, and everyone knows that goes nowhere for anyone involved. Rory probably had more self respect and respect for others-even the groupies, to indulge such weaknesses.

And as far as the Catherine speculation, Rory was living with his friend Roland. Even if he was attracted to his friend's girlfriend, how would that have worked? If she had been able to seduce him, how well do you think things would go at the breakfast table with the three of them the next day? Some people can do that sort of thing and not think twice about it, but it's easier to maintain friendships with a clear conscience. If anything Rory was loyal to his friends. Plus, I believe he had already had his heart broken by a women years before. If he had problems allowing another woman to get that close, why would he involve himself with someone who would cheat on one man to be with another? He already had trust issues, how can he trust that she wouldn't tire of him down the road and go to someone else? Even after Roland and she parted ways, there would always be that thought that if a person could cheat on one, why not another?

Back when I used to see his band play was in the 70's. He looked very happy and healthy. I loved to watch him play, and he always made his audience feel happy. But I was never so focused on him or his personal life, and it never occurred to me that after a tour he wouldn't go back to Ireland and happily go about his life till the next tour. I often thought of the times I saw him and his band, and they were some of my happiest memories.

I just always figured as the years went by that he would find and marry a pretty Irish lady and go on to father a bunch of musical genius children while continuing to pursue his musical interests. Years later while perusing the internet I read how his life unfolded in the 80s and 90s, and it is indeed a very sad, tragic end for a man who deserved so much better. Perhaps the reason that his tragic story haunts my thoughts is because I never, ever would have guessed that someone with such a kind, gentle demeanor would meet such a horrible end. It seems so unfair.

I don't think he was destroyed by a failed love affair, either. It probably didn't help, but I think what really happened was that his fears and doubts began to creep into his everyday thoughts, and when he sought the help of the medical profession the things they gave him made his self doubt and fear stronger, and he couldn't deal with it on his own. To the extent that he really needed someone he could trust completely and confide in, that would have helped him to heal, but it would require an act of faith that perhaps he just couldn't give.


RobertaSparrow i agree in every word...and about catherine,yes I'm sure that's the real reason about Rory's rejection...I know thαt because I had a similar experience once..."one bitten,twice shy"
Rory used to say that,according McAvoy...
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